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Re: History Channel - Titanic's Achilles Heel
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no i do appreciate them!


I understand that you appreciate my posts. I was a bit unclear before, as I was speaking more generally -- I was not referring to you.

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We try to make our points as short as possible, but since Titanic can be a complex subject, it is impossible sometimes to shorten it ans still make our cases.


Agreed. It's difficult to keep it short. After all, the documentary was -- I think -- an hour long and a transcript would be very lengthy. My online article can't be more than 1,500 words.

I make my posts as short as possible, but my written/published work (books, articles, and my website) must be more than half a million words all told (about 800 A4 pages in 11-point font, assuming some 640 words per page).

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There is much research out there, and Mark has done his fare share since he has written what looks like a wonderful book (I do not own it yet).


Thanks for your kind comments about my books. I really appreciate them.

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Re: History Channel - Titanic's Achilles Heel
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ight.

n trust me i've done lotssss of readin bout titanic. but still have lots to learn.
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Well Mark...I havn't gotten any of your books yet...however I think I will need to. I sometimes have a hard time understanding the engineering of the Titanic, but would like to learn more about it. And when it comes to me, it will probably take you a couple of million words for you to get me to understand it completely.
And just to let you know...I read all the long points made in this forum...if someone feels strong enough about something to take the time to write a great deal about it...then its worth reading. If I see someone put care into writing it...that's when I care to read it.
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Well Mark...I havn't gotten any of your books yet...however I think I will need to. I sometimes have a hard time understanding the engineering of the Titanic, but would like to learn more about it. And when it comes to me, it will probably take you a couple of million words for you to get me to understand it completely.
And just to let you know...I read all the long points made in this forum...if someone feels strong enough about something to take the time to write a great deal about it...then its worth reading. If I see someone put care into writing it...that's when I care to read it.


Thanks for your very kind comments, SeaRiggs. I appreciate them, and I am sure you know more than you realise.

You know, before you spend any money, everything on my website is available for free

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Well...I promise to read everything on your website Mark...as long as you promise to be my tutor...I'm sure I will have alot of questions...I will be looking to you for the answers lol
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Well Mark...like I said...didn't take long of reading your artical and already I have a Question...so here goes:

in your artical on Olympic and Titanic: Maiden Voyage
Sun 29, April 2007.
You made mention of how fast Olympic was traveling in the same path of her sister Titanic.
Now speed being a big issue as far as Titanic goes and from what I have heard Titanic wasn't going any faster than her sisters...but what did you hear?
How did the Olympic speed compare with the Titanic speed?
I honestly don't think speed WAS an issue for Titanic. And from what I read Capt. Smith actually changed course a little to the south when he heard of ice...but he didn't read ALL of the iceberg alerts...therefore he never slowed down...the alerts never made it to the bridge...I'm just wondering if Capt. Smith kept to the same speed Titanics sisters did. What do you think?
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Hi SeaRiggs,

There's a paper I co-authored with Sam Halpern, due to be published soon, 'Speed and More Speed.' That discusses the issue of Titanic's speed that evening in considerable detail. We argue that Titanic was well on the way to beating Olympic's maiden voyage speed. Given that Olympic now appears to have averaged 21.43 knots rather than 21.17 knots, that's all the more impressive.

I think speed was an issue for Titanic in that Lord Mersey cited 'excessive speed' as the cause of the collision, but whether 22 1/2 knots is much more dangerous than 21-22 knots is a good question.

As regards the course change, although some officers such as Pitman stated that the ship went some ten miles south of the normal 'track,' it has been well-argued that the deviation was much less than that - and therefore not as a precaution to avoid ice. There was quite a bit of debate at the British hearings.

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Thanks Mark...I will be looking forward to reading your new work. I wrote down the title so I will know to look for it. You truly are an amazing person to talk to.
There are so many factors I think that contributed to Titanic...it wasn't just one thing. The fact that Smith didn't pay much mind to the iceberg warnings...thinking disaster inconceivable...not enough lifeboats by the order of White Star...I mean just a lot of ignorance in what COULD happen and a lot of belief in what SHOULD happen I think was the cause of this incident.
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