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The Iceberg That Sank Titanic
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This was one of about 5 documentaries that I watched recently, and it explains something that several people always question.

The berg traveled down from around where Greenland is, down iceberg alley and out into the Atlantic right into Titanic's path.

The interesting part was that it showed why it was so hard for the look out's to see the giant berg. Besides the fact that they lost their binoculars as the story goes.

Titanic was the only light source in the ocean that night. There was nothing else out there giving off light and allowing for any reflections. The water was calm, and part of what made everything so dangerous - again it was so calm the light wasn't bouncing off it. The look out's eyes were adjusted to the light on board ... imagine being in a lit room and looking out of a window into a giant field with no light, what do you see? Nothing...endless blackness.

If you had been sitting on the iceberg you would have seen Titanic coming, but as a person on the ship it was impossible to have seen the berg until it was to late.

Today there are high-powered spotlights and sonar that are useful in avoiding bergs.

As we all know had Titanic hit the berg straight on according to theory it would not have sank. The documentary also went on to prove that throwing the engines in reverse was very ineffective and worked against turning the ship hard a starboard.

All in all the documentary was very informational and I would recommend it to anyone.
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That was a pretty good documentary wasn't it? I already knew previous information about that fatal berg, but watching the program really showed how and where it formed.

It was so hard to see because during it's melting, it slowly turned turtle in the water, making it almost invisible. It was described by some as a "black berg" or "blue berg" because it blended in so much with the moonless night and dark sea. Added to this was the fact that the Atlantic Ocean in that area was very calm that night. Captain Smith commented to 2nd officer Lightoller that it was "like a mill pond" because it was so calm. To spot a iceberg at a distance you need the waves to break and foam around the base to outline it, and you didn't have that so it was even harder to spot out.
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That was a pretty good documentary wasn't it? I already knew previous information about that fatal berg, but watching the program really showed how and where it formed.

It was so hard to see because during it's melting, it slowly turned turtle in the water, making it almost invisible. It was described by some as a "black berg" or "blue berg" because it blended in so much with the moonless night and dark sea. Added to this was the fact that the Atlantic Ocean in that area was very calm that night. Captain Smith commented to 2nd officer Lightoller that it was "like a mill pond" because it was so calm. To spot a iceberg at a distance you need the waves to break and foam around the base to outline it, and you didn't have that so it was even harder to spot out.


that sounds pretty cool. when do you think they will show that program again?
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It comes on the Discovery channel, and it was a good program. I am not sure if the exact information that you quoted from my post is mentioned in that documentary. The documentary talks alot about how the iceberg was formed and how it made it's way down into the Titanic's path. What you quoted from my post, was gathered mostly from other historical sources, including Titanic historian Ken Marschall, who talked about the "black berg or blue berg" and how with no waves to break around it's base made it very difficult for Fleet and Lee to spot. You can check the Discovery channel website to TV listings.
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The documentary also went on to prove that throwing the engines in reverse was very ineffective and worked against turning the ship hard a starboard.


I wouldn't say anything was actually proven in that respect. That the engines were even reversed before the collision at all hasn't been firmly established. The evidence of it is underwhelming.
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We don't technically know for sure that the engines on Titanic were reversed, as reports are conflicting. But what we do know is that if they were, it would have had a impact on how effective the turn would have been.

For a rudder to work properly, you need the water to be flowing past it in one direction, which would be moving aft along the ship. If first officer Murdoch put Titanic's engines into reverse, the water still being forced by the rudder as the ship moved forward would have been churned around wildly by the propellers trying to work against it. Without a clean sweep of water flowing around the rudder, it takes away from the effectiveness of the turn.
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We don't technically know for sure that the engines on Titanic were reversed, as reports are conflicting. But what we do know is that if they were, it would have had a impact on how effective the turn would have been.

For a rudder to work properly, you need the water to be flowing past it in one direction, which would be moving aft along the ship. If first officer Murdoch put Titanic's engines into reverse, the water still being forced by the rudder as the ship moved forward would have been churned around wildly by the propellers trying to work against it. Without a clean sweep of water flowing around the rudder, it takes away from the effectiveness of the turn.


Right, turbulent flow could've had an effect on the rudder's bite, but whether that's what actually took place can't be determined.
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Precisely.
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im just really confused of what happened.
couldnt they have gone backwards?
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U_just_might_sink said: im just really confused of what happened.
couldnt they have gone backwards?


Officer Murdoch ordered the ship to turn as far left as she could go, and at the same time he ordered on the engine telegraphs (including the emergency one) to reverse the engines (that is, the two wing propellers, not the steam turbine, which could not be reversed). After the ship started striking the berg, Murdoch apparently ordered ship turned to the right to try to swing the stern in of the ship away from the berg.

Wheather or not the engines were actually reversed is indeed sort of a mystery as Mark stated, I think most, if not all engine room people did not survive. The only ones we have to rely on is people like Fred Barret, who were in the boiler rooms and saw the telegraphs down there saying full astern, then stop, then some said they tried to start up again (it is very very confusing)

Some people have speculated that the Titanic did not reverse her engines before she hit.

Furthermore, some say that the ship did not even answer her helm. That is, Titanic was turned left by the iceberg, not her rudder.

Lookout Fredrick Fleet at the American Inquiry on day 4 stated that the ship started to go to port while he was on the phone to the bridge. Therefore, if he is accurate, then how could the ship answer her helm at the exact second he warns them "iceberg dead ahead! "

If this is true, then the iceberg was much closer than most people tend to think.
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