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I think they might be spelled wrong but I am in search of information on both of them Thanks so much
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this information is from Craig Stringers CD-ROM "Titanic people"
here is what he says about Benjamin Guggenheim:

Benjamin Guggenheim had promised to be home in New York in time for his daughter342200231s
birthday.
Benjamin had been born in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, on October 26th 1865, and was 46 years
old in April 1912. He was the fifth son of Meyer Guggenheim, who had been born in
Switzerland, and his wife, Barbara Meyer, and was brother to Daniel, Simon, Robert,
Solomon, William, Isaac, Murry, Jeanette, Cora and Rosa.
Benjamin342200231s father had emigrated from Switzerland in 1848, and had settled in Philadelphia,
where he had established the firm of M. Guggenheim & Sons. Meyer was a shrewd
businessman, and under his guidance his company grew, holding interests in a wide number of
industries and concerns.
Benjamin grew up in a world of increasing riches, as his father342200231s business world
gradually expanded. His father was a strict disciplinarian, while Barbara Guggenheim, was all
forgiving and all loving. Like most of his brothers, except William, Benjamin disliked school,
but his father realised that they could all work for the company. The older boys took on active
roles within the company, but the younger sons, Benjamin, William and Simon were less
conspicuous. Meyer Guggenheim once told his sons that together they would be invincible, but
on their own may be easily broken. While in his early years Benjamin followed that advice, he
later struck out on his own, and as his father had predicted, he was broken.
Benjamin was the first of the Guggenheim son342200231s to attend university, going to Columbia in 1882.
Finding his course dull he dropped out in his second year, and finding his father342200231s business
depressing, was sent by Meyer to Leadville, Colorado, in 1885, to take charge, and act as
bookkeeper, at the A. Y. and Minnie Mine. This came at a time when Meyer Guggenheim
realised that the future of his company lay in mining, and in smelting. The company purchased a
smelter in Pueblo, which, after a short time in Leadville, Benjamin was sent to take charge of.
The new venture proved to be a tremendous success, and as a consequence the company made
a major shift in emphasis, devoting almost all it342200231s energy to mining and smelting.
The success of the business in Colorado led to the establishment of plants in Aguascalientes
and Monterey in Mexico, and the building of an enormous refinery in New Jersey. At the same
time, Meyer and his sons, made a move to the financial capital of America, New York. Benjamin
Guggenheim remained in Mexico, working hard on the new smelting business, and it was due to
his efforts that the venture was the success it was.
By the time Benjamin arrived in New York, to take charge of the Perth Amboy plant in New
Jersey, the family had been endeavouring to establish itself among the most notable Jewish
families within the city. Rose Guggenheim had already married into the Loeb family, and in
October 1894, Benjamin married Miss Florette Seligman, the daughter of millionaire financier,
James Seligman. After the marriage the couple embarked on a two year tour of Europe.
From the marriage, Ben and Florette had three daughters, Benita, born in 1895, Marguerite,
known as Peggy, born in 1898, and Hazel, born in 1903. The marriage was not entirely
successful. Benjamin found his wife342200231s desire to be a leading society matron tedious, and he had
a roving eye, and was known as a playboy. Florette, however, put up with her husband342200231s
wandering affections.
On March 20th 1900, Barbara Guggenheim died. She had been ill for some weeks, and Benjamin
had hurried home from a trip to the continent to be with her. He was devastated by her death,
temporarily becoming a recluse.
In 1901 Benjamin and his brother William made a split with their family company. Alarmed by
the possibility of taking on a large trust, and possibly going into some kind of co-operative
agreement with them, the younger brothers left the business, although they retained their
shares. Benjamin decided to go it alone, and in 1903 established a factory in Milwaukee for the
production of mining machinery. This merged in 1906, with the American Steam Pump
Company, of which Ben was a large stockholder. Ben became chairman of the executive
committee until January 1909, when he was elected president. The company, by 1912 had seven
factories in America, and one in England. In addition, the American Steam Pump Company had
built the lifts for the Eiffel Tower.
It was ostensibly business which drew Ben to Paris in 1911, for an eight month trip. Travelling
with him was his secretary, Victor Giglio. Giglio, 53422002319342200235 tall, with black hair and brown eyes, had
been born in Liverpool, England, in 1888, although his family had come originally from
Alexandria, Egypt. Victor had begun working for Ben in 1910, having joined him in Paris.
The two men stayed at 57, Avenue Montaigne during their stay in Paris, although Ben spent a
considerable amount of time at another house, 17, Le Seuer Street. The house was occupied by
a night club singer, Leontine Pauline Aubart, who was Ben342200231s mistress.
She had known Ben for a number of years, and it is likely
that Florette Guggenheim was aware of the liaison.
Ben had promised to return to New York in time for his daughter, Hazel342200231s ninth birthday, and
originally booked to sail from another steamer sailing from Le Havre. However, a last minute
strike by stokers caused him to change the reservations to the Titanic. Travelling with Ben, and
his secretary, Victor, where Leontine Aubart, her maid, Emma Sagesser, and Rene Pernot,
described as Mr Guggenheim342200231s chauffeur, although it is possible that he was employed by
Leontine Aubart. Leontine and Mr Pernot had accompanied Ben to New York before, most
recently on board the Mauretania, in September 1911. Ben booked first class passage for himself,
Leontine, Victor and Emma, he and Victor travelling on ticket 17593, costing 30224379.4s. 0d.
On board the ship, Ben occupied cabin 84 at the after end of B deck, while Victor occupied the
adjoining servant342200231s room, B86. Leontine and her maid, Emma, occupied a cabin at the forward
After the Titanic struck the iceberg, Henry Etches, who was bedroom steward to Guggenheim
and Giglio, went to check that his passengers were up. Guggenheim opened his door
immediately, and Etches told him he needed to dress warmly and put on a lifebelt. He then went
to the wardrobe and lifted down three lifebelts. Guggenheim complained as Etches fitted the
belt, saying, 342200234This will hurt.342200235 Etches told him, 342200234You have plenty of time, put on some clothes and
I will be back in a few minutes.342200235
Guggenheim did put on some clothes, he and Giglio changing to evening dress, and being
heard to say, 342200234We have dressed our best, and are prepared to go down like gentlemen.342200235
News of the accident soon arrived in New York. Florette Guggenheim and her daughters were
returning from her father342200231s house, having celebrated his birthday with him. Benita Guggenheim
begged her mother to buy a newspaper, convinced that something had happened to her father342200231s
ship. Yet, even then Florette and Ben342200231s brothers could not entertain the idea that Ben might
have gone down with the ship, making several visits to the offices of the White Star Line during
the days before the Carpathia arrived.
With the arrival of the Carpathia, Florette, and Ben342200231s brothers realised the truth that he had
gone down with the vessel. Ben342200231s brothers also discovered that his business affairs were
precarious, and in disarray. Keeping the news from Florette they continued to advance her
funds, while trying to unpick Ben342200231s affairs. His estate finally realised $1,850,000, including
3022435,468. 15s. 0d. in England, nothing like the fortune Guggenheim had been believed to hold.
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and here is what it says about Wallace Hartley:

Wallace Henry Hartley was born at 92, Greenfield Road, Colne, Lancashire, on June 2nd 1878. He
was the son of Albion Hartley, and his wife, Elizabeth nee Foulds, and was brother to Mary E,
Ughtred Harold, Elizabeth G, Conrad Robert and Hilda. In 1881 the family were still living at 92,
Greenfield Road, Colne. Albion Hartley was a manager of a cotton mill, and his wife was a
worsted weaver. Close by lived Wallace342200231s grandmother, Mrs Mary Hartley, nee Rushton, at 100,
Greenfield Road. Mary Hartley was 66 years old and deaf. The family later moved to 90, Albert
Road, where they lived from 1890 to 1895. At that time Wallace was giving solo violin
performances, and not long after, joined an orchestra in Bridlington. By 1912, Wallace was living
with his parents at 342200230Surrey Side342200231, West Park Street, in Dewsbury, Yorkshire.
Prior to sailing on the Titanic, Wallace had been working for the Cunard Company on board the
Mauretania, as a violinist. He joined the Titanic not as an official member of the crew, but as a
second class passenger, travelling with the other musicians on ticket 250654. Until 1912,
musicians had worked on ships as part of the regular crew. However, in 1912 an agency, Messrs.
C.W. and F.N. Black, began to provide ship342200231s orchestras. They offered a cheaper service, and
the shipping lines quickly signed with them, and so musicians signed up with them too,
appearing on crew manifests as a token gesture that they were still under the Captain342200231s
authority. But when the Amalgamated Musicians Union protested that their members were now
receiving lower wages, while still members of the ship342200231s crew, Bruce Ismay, chairman of the
White Star Line, had the musicians transferred from the crew manifest to the second class
passenger list. The transfer affected the Olympic, so that when it arrived in New York, it342200231s
musicians left the ship as passengers. The change also affected Wallace Hartley on board the
Mauretania. When it arrived in New York on March 29th 1912, Hartley arrived as a second class
passenger.
Wallace joined the Titanic at Southampton on sailing day, being on board as bandmaster. For
the voyage he could expect to earn monthly wages of 3022434. He was one of eight musicians on the
ship, playing in two groups, a trio outside the a la carte restaurant, and Wallace342200231s group of five
in other areas of the ship, including the first class reception room. When off duty, Wallace and
his four companions occupied a cabin on E deck, close to second class cabin E101. From that
cabin, passenger, Edwina Celia Troutt, listened to the orchestra as they practised each day.
Adjoining the room was a storeroom for the men342200231s instruments.
Wallace and his bandsmen kept the passengers entertained throughout the day, playing largely
in first class, but occasionally in second class. They played musical selections from the White
Star Line book, as well as responding to passenger342200231s requests. On Sunday April 14th the
orchestra had played at the Divine Service in the morning, and in the evening played selections
in the first class reception room. Mrs Candee requested that the group play Puccini, while Hugh
Woolner asked for Dvorak. The orchestra finished with a piece from The Tales of Hoffman.
When the Titanic struck the iceberg, the orchestra had retired for the night. They reassembled
at about half-past midnight, summoned to play in the first class lounge in order to calm
passengers. Hartley led his men in playing a selection of ragtime pieces, waltzes and comic
songs of the day, later moving locations to the boat deck, close to the first class entrance.
The men continued playing as the boats were filled and lowered. Hartley, it seems took a break
to see Mrs Florence Ware, a second class passenger, into a boat. As Mrs Ware entered the
lifeboat, Hartley handed her a silver spirit flask. After he returned to the orchestra to continue
playing. Harold Bride, coming on deck from the wireless room after 2.00a.m. heard the band
playing 342200234Autumn342200235 as he made his way forward. Steward Edward Brown could not remember
hearing the band stop. Many people recalled hearing the hymn, 342200230Nearer, My God to Thee342200231
shortly before the ship took its final plunge.
Wallace Henry Hartley died when the Titanic sank. His body was among those identified during
the recovery of victims from the sea by ships after. Found by the Mackay-Bennett, a cable ship
sent out from Halifax, Nova Scotia to search for victims of the sinking, the details recorded
were;
NO.224. MALE. ESTIMATED AGE, 25. HAIR, BROWN.
CLOTHING 342200223 Uniform (green facing); brown overcoat; black boots; green socks.
EFFECTS 342200223 Gold fountain pen, 342200234W. H. H.342200235; diamond solitaire ring; silver cigarette
case; letters; silver match box, marked 342200234To W. H. H. from Collingson342200231s staff, Leeds342200235;
telegram to Hotley, Bandmaster 342200234Titanic342200235; nickel watch; gold chain; gold cigar
holder; stud; scissors; 16s.; 16 cents; coins.
BANDMASTER WALLACE H. HOTLEY.
Hartley342200231s body was brought to Halifax, from where it was forwarded to Boston for shipment back
to Liverpool.
Hartley342200231s body arrived in Liverpool aboard the Arabic, on May 12th. From there it was placed on a
hearse for the sixty mile journey back to Colne, where Hartley was to be buried. The body of
Wallace Henry Hartley was laid to rest in Colne on May 18th, the funeral service having been
conducted at the Bethel Chapel
Hartley342200231s parents were awarded a single payment of 302243100 from the British Titanic Relief Fund as
a result of his death, and the loss of his income.
Wallace left an estate of 302243656. 17s. 4d., proved through administration in Wakefield, on May 21st
1912.
Memorials to Hartley and his fellow bandsman were erected all around the world after the
disaster.
Posted on: 2004/6/1 17:46
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OOh! thank you soo much! :D
Posted on: 2004/6/2 18:21
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