gal of titanic wrote:
no one it sank because i hit an iceberg it was nones fault so dont blame if youy dont no what happend

MGY Friend wrote:
The scean in Cameron's movie was a little Hollywood, but it did seem to have at least some factual basis.

TippooTib wrote:
Actually, it was Elisabeth Lines who overheard Ismay talking with Smith about Titanic's early arrival.

Even though that particular incident was not witnessed by any other survivor, Ismay is known to have lied about not knowing if additional boilers were going to be lit that day. (In 1915 multiple survivors testified that Ismay himself told them about those additional boilers being lit.) Ismay's falsehoods regarding the boilers do not inspire much confidence in his similar denial of the truth of the Ismay-Smith conversation.

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U_just_might_sink said: to let all you people know, we are not certian that bruce ismay had that meeting with cpt. smith. its called hollywood people.

Actually, Mrs. Lucean P. Smith stated under testimony that she overheard Ismay talking about the ship's speed when she was sitting by them in the reception room. If I remember correctly, she said Ismay stated "we did better on today"s run than we did yesterday, we will beat the Olympic (her maiden voyage record) and get into New York on Tuesday night".

So the scean in Cameron's movie was a little Hollywood, but it did seem to have at least some factual basis.

Agreed, though Ismay did denie it quite strongly,

Enquiry:

'Did you have occasion to consult with the captain about the speed or movement of the ship' Enquirer (I forget who exactly)

'Never' Ismays rebutle

I guess it is his word against her's to be honest, knowone else heard it (bar smith but he cant exactly say anything) so depends whom you want to believe, Ismay was vilanised by the press and is probably one of the most disliked charectors in recent history.

Martyn

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U_just_might_sink said: to let all you people know, we are not certian that bruce ismay had that meeting with cpt. smith. its called hollywood people.

Actually, Mrs. Lucean P. Smith stated under testimony that she overheard Ismay talking about the ship's speed when she was sitting by them in the reception room. If I remember correctly, she said Ismay stated "we did better on today"s run than we did yesterday, we will beat the Olympic (her maiden voyage record) and get into New York on Tuesday night".

So the scean in Cameron's movie was a little Hollywood, but it did seem to have at least some factual basis.

U_just_might_sink said: to let all you people know, we are not certian that bruce ismay had that meeting with cpt. smith. its called hollywood people.

Danbiddle wrote:
In my opinion, there is another reason for the sinking of the Titanic. The ship was actually designed with a rudder similar to the Clipper ships earlier on, and was consequently far smaller than adequate for a ship of Titanic's size.

In comparison to Mauretania and Lusitania, Cunard Line's largest ships (31,000 gross tons compared to Titanic's 46,000), the Titanic's rudder was actually much smaller than the Mauretania's, resulting in a much worse turning ability. This factor, in combination with the clear, calm night meant that there was aprroximately half a mile to avoid the iceberg, and the fact that the Titanic was travelling at full speed as well as the inadequate rudder sealed the fate of the ship.

In addition, Titanic had three propellers, but only the outer two could go into reverse, and the central propeller remianed stopped, and this made it harder to stop the ship.

Murdoch's maneouver was the standard avoidance maneouver of the day, and his reactions to the incident cannot be criticised heavily. Earlier in his career he avoided a collision in Arabia:

During 1903, Murdoch finally reached the stormy and glamorous North Atlantic run as Second Officer of the new liner Arabic. His cool head, quick thinking and professional judgement averted a disaster when a ship was spotted bearing down on the Arabic out of the darkness. He overrided a command from his superior, Officer Fox, to steer hard-a-port, rushing into the wheelhouse, brushing aside the quartermaster and holding the ship on course. The two ships passed within inches of one another. Any alteration in course would have actually caused a collision.

In hindsight, if he had reversed the port propeller and kept the starboard prop in full ahead, the ship could have turned faster, but as it was Murdoch did all he could.

All in all, it boils down to the fact that there is no one reason for the collision, and the fact that throughout the day seven radio messages had been received that indicated an icefield 74 miles across in front of their path. If these had all reached Captain Smith, I am sure he would have reduced speed, no mattter what Ismay may have said.

Sorry for the long post!

Cheers,

Dan