Set The record Straight PLEASE!!!!!! Ismay was not interested in speed...he had nothing to do with it...you guys are thinking of the movie. You have to check out and do some research on what really happened. It was Ismays company that wanted Ismay to ask if they could dock in NY on the evening of Tues. instead of Wed morning. Ismay was upset by how many letters the company sent asking this. (The letters were all documented proof) Ismay said he wanted the passengers to be comfortable and that was more important than speed. He never told the Capt to speed up...he never knew of any iceberg warning. Titanic NEVER even sped up. It was going just as fast as her sister ships did on that same pathway. Which was all documented in a court hearing after the titanic disaster.
It was also documented by witnesses how Ismay helped the 3rd class into lifeboats for 2 hours before he was ordered to get into the lifeboat himself. There he and another man named Carter rowed, and did whatever he could to help. He even called for more women and children...but nobody came. I think he did his best.
ok whew...I vented that one out...LOL

I dont think he did it on purpose although he didnt use much common sense..he said to keep going cause he wanted titanic to get glory for how fast it could move for its size and he didnt think much about the iceberg because their always out around that time so he didnt think much about it

w/e cuz irdc.

u kno me♥--I just wanted to show you how Ismay had no importance as a "con man" as you stated. No offense, you were missing the real points.

ismay may of said speed up but itwasent till the night in whcih the last 4 bollers were lit which they were planning to do speed trials the nexts day to see how fast the ship would do with the purpelors sping at 89 reserloutions a minute and if she did shje would of beetn her sister ship record of 22.4 knots on her maiden voyage. bruce ismay wasrnt the owner of wsl anymore he was adirector as jp pierport morgon was the owner imm and titanic was only insured for 1 millon less then the actural ship cost to build. so it would of been a total lost to the company.

no offense, but e already covered these points.

True....but Ismay still has no relevance to Smith's decision to increase. That was his fault. He was a skilled captain....the best in the White Star Line. If he knew of the danger, he could easily have said no. I understand how he felt pressure, but that's no excuse in my mind. We'll never fully know what Smith was thinking that night. Or why Philips brushed off the final and most significant ice warning, or why they didn't think it was important for Smith to show his officers of the 7 ice warnings that had been passed to the bridge. It is interesting though.

u make very good points. i don't think i have any more. u obviously kno much about Titanic. but i kno much too. maybe i have no more points right at the moment because 1) i'm distracted by the tv and 2) i was just at gymnastics and i worked my butt off and am very tired. so maybe tomorrow i will have more points, but for now i will get off. good night.

True, however, again, Ismay had no seniority at sea what so ever.

Captain Smith was the senior captian of the White Star Line and it was up to his own personal judgement to what information he observed and acted upon.

Also, to say that Ismay did not care for the passengers on his ship because he wanted more speed through an icefield does not add up. Titanic was "after all", the largest and safest ship in the world!!!! "Pratically unsinkable". Why would Ismay know anything of the danger? He was a passenger, not a commander.

Its true that Smith did not receive every ice warning that was sent. However, he recieved enough of them to formulate the speculation that on the night of the 14th, that the Titanic might encountered ice.

(Walter Lord said it was odd that when the collision happened Smith's first words to Murdoch was "What was that Mr. Murdoch?", when, Smith must have known that it could only have been ice!)

Yes but Ismay, i nmy eyes, was somewhat like a con man. He probably knew that Smith would listen to him if he told him to speed up the ship. Also, Ismay did not concider the lives of others all he wanted was to make headlines. I mean yes he wanted to make his company famous than ever, but he should've thought about the ice warnings because he knew about them. Smith showed Ismay each of the ice warnings that he recieved.

Also, Smith neva even recieved every ice warning. If he would have, he prolly wouldn't have made Titanic go faster. He had plenty of common sense and knew better than to make Titanic go faster with ice ahead.