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OOh! thank you soo much! :D
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Posted on: 2004/6/2 18:21
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this information is from Craig Stringers CD-ROM "Titanic people"
here is what he says about Benjamin Guggenheim: Benjamin Guggenheim had promised to be home in New York in time for his daughter342200231s birthday. Benjamin had been born in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, on October 26th 1865, and was 46 years old in April 1912. He was the fifth son of Meyer Guggenheim, who had been born in Switzerland, and his wife, Barbara Meyer, and was brother to Daniel, Simon, Robert, Solomon, William, Isaac, Murry, Jeanette, Cora and Rosa. Benjamin342200231s father had emigrated from Switzerland in 1848, and had settled in Philadelphia, where he had established the firm of M. Guggenheim & Sons. Meyer was a shrewd businessman, and under his guidance his company grew, holding interests in a wide number of industries and concerns. Benjamin grew up in a world of increasing riches, as his father342200231s business world gradually expanded. His father was a strict disciplinarian, while Barbara Guggenheim, was all forgiving and all loving. Like most of his brothers, except William, Benjamin disliked school, but his father realised that they could all work for the company. The older boys took on active roles within the company, but the younger sons, Benjamin, William and Simon were less conspicuous. Meyer Guggenheim once told his sons that together they would be invincible, but on their own may be easily broken. While in his early years Benjamin followed that advice, he later struck out on his own, and as his father had predicted, he was broken. Benjamin was the first of the Guggenheim son342200231s to attend university, going to Columbia in 1882. Finding his course dull he dropped out in his second year, and finding his father342200231s business depressing, was sent by Meyer to Leadville, Colorado, in 1885, to take charge, and act as bookkeeper, at the A. Y. and Minnie Mine. This came at a time when Meyer Guggenheim realised that the future of his company lay in mining, and in smelting. The company purchased a smelter in Pueblo, which, after a short time in Leadville, Benjamin was sent to take charge of. The new venture proved to be a tremendous success, and as a consequence the company made a major shift in emphasis, devoting almost all it342200231s energy to mining and smelting. The success of the business in Colorado led to the establishment of plants in Aguascalientes and Monterey in Mexico, and the building of an enormous refinery in New Jersey. At the same time, Meyer and his sons, made a move to the financial capital of America, New York. Benjamin Guggenheim remained in Mexico, working hard on the new smelting business, and it was due to his efforts that the venture was the success it was. By the time Benjamin arrived in New York, to take charge of the Perth Amboy plant in New Jersey, the family had been endeavouring to establish itself among the most notable Jewish families within the city. Rose Guggenheim had already married into the Loeb family, and in October 1894, Benjamin married Miss Florette Seligman, the daughter of millionaire financier, James Seligman. After the marriage the couple embarked on a two year tour of Europe. From the marriage, Ben and Florette had three daughters, Benita, born in 1895, Marguerite, known as Peggy, born in 1898, and Hazel, born in 1903. The marriage was not entirely successful. Benjamin found his wife342200231s desire to be a leading society matron tedious, and he had a roving eye, and was known as a playboy. Florette, however, put up with her husband342200231s wandering affections. On March 20th 1900, Barbara Guggenheim died. She had been ill for some weeks, and Benjamin had hurried home from a trip to the continent to be with her. He was devastated by her death, temporarily becoming a recluse. In 1901 Benjamin and his brother William made a split with their family company. Alarmed by the possibility of taking on a large trust, and possibly going into some kind of co-operative agreement with them, the younger brothers left the business, although they retained their shares. Benjamin decided to go it alone, and in 1903 established a factory in Milwaukee for the production of mining machinery. This merged in 1906, with the American Steam Pump Company, of which Ben was a large stockholder. Ben became chairman of the executive committee until January 1909, when he was elected president. The company, by 1912 had seven factories in America, and one in England. In addition, the American Steam Pump Company had built the lifts for the Eiffel Tower. It was ostensibly business which drew Ben to Paris in 1911, for an eight month trip. Travelling with him was his secretary, Victor Giglio. Giglio, 53422002319342200235 tall, with black hair and brown eyes, had been born in Liverpool, England, in 1888, although his family had come originally from Alexandria, Egypt. Victor had begun working for Ben in 1910, having joined him in Paris. The two men stayed at 57, Avenue Montaigne during their stay in Paris, although Ben spent a considerable amount of time at another house, 17, Le Seuer Street. The house was occupied by a night club singer, Leontine Pauline Aubart, who was Ben342200231s mistress. She had known Ben for a number of years, and it is likely that Florette Guggenheim was aware of the liaison. Ben had promised to return to New York in time for his daughter, Hazel342200231s ninth birthday, and originally booked to sail from another steamer sailing from Le Havre. However, a last minute strike by stokers caused him to change the reservations to the Titanic. Travelling with Ben, and his secretary, Victor, where Leontine Aubart, her maid, Emma Sagesser, and Rene Pernot, described as Mr Guggenheim342200231s chauffeur, although it is possible that he was employed by Leontine Aubart. Leontine and Mr Pernot had accompanied Ben to New York before, most recently on board the Mauretania, in September 1911. Ben booked first class passage for himself, Leontine, Victor and Emma, he and Victor travelling on ticket 17593, costing 30224379.4s. 0d. On board the ship, Ben occupied cabin 84 at the after end of B deck, while Victor occupied the adjoining servant342200231s room, B86. Leontine and her maid, Emma, occupied a cabin at the forward After the Titanic struck the iceberg, Henry Etches, who was bedroom steward to Guggenheim and Giglio, went to check that his passengers were up. Guggenheim opened his door immediately, and Etches told him he needed to dress warmly and put on a lifebelt. He then went to the wardrobe and lifted down three lifebelts. Guggenheim complained as Etches fitted the belt, saying, 342200234This will hurt.342200235 Etches told him, 342200234You have plenty of time, put on some clothes and I will be back in a few minutes.342200235 Guggenheim did put on some clothes, he and Giglio changing to evening dress, and being heard to say, 342200234We have dressed our best, and are prepared to go down like gentlemen.342200235 News of the accident soon arrived in New York. Florette Guggenheim and her daughters were returning from her father342200231s house, having celebrated his birthday with him. Benita Guggenheim begged her mother to buy a newspaper, convinced that something had happened to her father342200231s ship. Yet, even then Florette and Ben342200231s brothers could not entertain the idea that Ben might have gone down with the ship, making several visits to the offices of the White Star Line during the days before the Carpathia arrived. With the arrival of the Carpathia, Florette, and Ben342200231s brothers realised the truth that he had gone down with the vessel. Ben342200231s brothers also discovered that his business affairs were precarious, and in disarray. Keeping the news from Florette they continued to advance her funds, while trying to unpick Ben342200231s affairs. His estate finally realised $1,850,000, including 3022435,468. 15s. 0d. in England, nothing like the fortune Guggenheim had been believed to hold. |
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I think they might be spelled wrong but I am in search of information on both of them Thanks so much
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