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Hello,
First of all, excuse this relatively short post. I did do a more lengthy one setting out my arguments in more detail, but naturally my computer froze before I could post it! (Such is life.) Quote:
I am well aware of the lists you cite. Daniel's analysis, if I remember correctly, wasn't only applicable to the figures for Titanic's maiden voyage. Contrary to what you appear to think, I wouldn't expect the passenger figures on a maiden voyage to remain constant for subsequent voyages, and was not expecting that in this instance. Quote: Even on her maiden voyage the 3rd class out numbered the 1st class over 2 to 1. Not to mention the 2nd class was slightly less than 50 people fewer than 1st class. As you check all manifests on Olympic you notice the "new" wore of soon and 1st class passenger numbers dropped off drasticly while 3rd class numbers increases by 25% over the years. I don't see how relevant your statement is about second class? If third class outnumbered first 2-1, then that's still not enough to produce more profit based on the figures I've cited before. I'm aware of Olympic's passenger figures from 1911-35. Meanwhile, what's your source for the 25% increase in third class 'over the years'? It differs from every figure I've seen. Quote: All you need to do is read minutes of White Star board meeting and you will find reference to the profits of 3rd class over 1st class mentioned over and over. Please cite some specific examples. As it happens, I've only read minutes from 1929-31, and one from 1912, since so much of the line's archive no longer exists. Quote: Yes you can find websites that will "contrary" this info but do the math yourself as well as some thinking on your own, don't believe anything you read if you can't verify it and you well easily see that White Star knew where it's profits came from and why they targeted them. I've not mentioned any websites. As it happens, I don't call surfing the internet 'research' and I do my own research through the primary sources available. I don't believe anything I read, and indeed IIRC Michael Tennaro praised both my critical analysis and original research when he reviewed my first book in 2004. Quote: As you yourself said it would take 3 third class passengers to generate the revenues of 1 first class. And over the years you see Olympic regularly ran a 5 to 1 of 3rd class ratio according to manifests. Please cite some examples. Taking 1924 as a year at random (and because I have the figures to hand), Olympic carried twice as many first class passengers as she did third class passengers. And, this before a full year's immigration restrictions had kicked in. What you say is certainly not true for any of the years from the 1930s. Quote: And last you need to factor in the cost to pamper the 1st class from extravagance meals, extra porters, cooks, waiters, laundry, house keeping and security. The cost of furnishing the first class room itself was astonishing. Go back and reread 3rd class menus and figure a basic cost profit ratio and see were money was made. Yes, I am aware of the varying costs for each class (as my original post said: 'the expense figures would logically vary from class to class. ') However, you haven't cited any monetary figures to back up your argument. As for the menus, they don't have any food prices on them, or the necessary revenue/expenditure analysis we would need. I've replied to your posts in the Olympic thread, and the watertight door debate -- in case you had missed them, as I noticed you hadn't replied. Best wishes, Mark. |
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Mark Chirnside, Warwickshire, England. 'RMS Olympic: Titanic's Sister.' |
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Posted on: 2005/5/16 11:13
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