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Well I wouldn't call my comments a report, it was a pretty general statement. And I take no offense, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong! But it's good to have a nice stimulating conversation.
Actually when I mention the hydrodynamic forces (or fluid dynamic really), I was speaking more of the amount of drag and turbulant flow that would be created due to all the obstructions, the "lift" force (I don't know what it would be called in hydrodynamics) that would be placed on it, at the angle and manor at which the ship would have to be brought up, and the pressure differences of the water flowing around the wreck as it would be lifted. Is this what you are saying would be to a lesser degree due to the depths (and temperature especially)? I agree with this, but we would be trying to lift the Titanic to the surface, which means these would all be changing. All of these forces are quite violent, even at a small number. I guess if it were all taken into very careful consideration, than possibly it would be done.
What you are saying does make sense, and I understand the affect the colder temperature would have (Brownian), but how would I go about applying these equations to Titanic's wreck? How would I take into account the effect all the obstructions, debries and overall state, shape and angle the ship is brought up at? Since all of these things are pretty much unknowns (to me anyway), and there are no models to work with that I know of. I suppose I could at best, use Titanic's plans and do calculations based upon those. That would be a load of work, very difficult. Too large a scale for me to take on anytime in the near future lol.
I know I can't be wrong in saying that these forces played a huge roll in the destruction of the ship on the way down. It's why I'm not surprised the stern looks the way it does (excluding the air that was still trapped inside, which also caused destruction). Because of the way the stern fell (and it's weight), it encountered these forces to a greater degree than the bow section (which is more hydrodynamic, the way it fell, and it was already mostly filled with water).
I admittedly don't know much about hydrodynamics, I do know about aerodynamics though. I know that the forces encountered here, are very similar in the water (and are greatly magnified), and are very violent, which is how I came to my theory. Maybe that was a stupid assumption.
As for spelling, don't worry, this is the internet.
Also, could I trouble you to translate these forces (those that apply) from aerdynamic terms to hydrodynamic terms? Just a few simple abbreviations are ok.
Thanks, so much Jessica
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