OK, thanks, I will look at my copy tonight, which I have not looked at for quite some time. Interesting. I remember hearing of a letter telling of Officers shooting people as well (someone from Norway or Finland???).

The problem I have with Officers shooting themselves and shooting others is that the night was dark and it has been observed that passengers seemed to get things confused. Some maybe could have seen officer Lowe fire his gun down the side of the ship and take it as he was aiming at a passenger.

I don't know. Two credible witnesses may be all that it takes to give evidence that someone (Wilde, Murdoch, or Smith shooting themselves). But then again, more than two credible witnesses said that the ship sank absolutley intacked...and you know!