u kno me♥: You might want to read some of the testimony.

Ismay seemed to step into the lifeboat on an instictual move. He was helping load women and children into the boats for over an hour before he left the ship. If he was a villian who only cared about himself, I belive he would have slipped off much sooner.

The reason is that in actuality, when Callapsable C was lowered, all the other passengers were much further aft along the boatdeck (since most of the regular forward boats had already been lowered. There was no other passengers around, especially women and children standing around him. So, if the commanding officer was not going to lower that boat to capacity, then what is the use of Ismay (a human being) being just one more casualty? If Andrews had stepped into that boat (or any other boat), would history have judged him different? (I wish he would have just to hear his expert testimony )

And, with regarding Ismay, If I may point out, I believe you are stuck in that classic 1912 mindset of Women and Children first! Well, OK, it sounds good, but what does that do for equality? To pick and choose the beliefs back then is hard to do when regarding the bigger picture of what they mean (In regards to the way that women were treated back then -property, propped up on a pedistal -IE all the things that "Rose Dawson" hated.

People vindicated Ismay for surviving when so many children, and Women died. However, historians have stated that the early sufferage movement back then did not agree with this. They belived that it was the duty of every woman on board Titanic to refuse to get in the lifeboats first in the name of equality of the sexes.

Also, Ismay had no control over the third class women and children being trapped below. That was up to Ameican immigration standards regarding ship segregation (due to infectious desieses.

You said that Andrews gave up his place in a boat for someone? When was this? I do not remember him getting into a boat.

Furthermore, You stated that Andrews as polite and gave his life? Gave his life for what? The boats were never properly loaded anyway. He went into a catatonic shock, unresponsive to peoples' pleas to him to save his life. If anything, he gave up and did not even try to save himself (A quitter!)

Well, I've become longwinded (again...sorry ), but to shunn someone for thier survival instinct (especially in this day when chivalry is dead), I find rather pointless.