Yes Mark Chirnside a can agree to disagree as you have shown you have a greater knowledge of the ship. As i said ave made ma mind up since then i have went and done some research and i came up with inconclusive endings. All the coinsidenses are some what circumstantial in my view now the matter is open there is no final proof from either point of view that they are right although there is a greate mass of evidense against the conspiracy. I'm still not sure a would like to believe that there was no conspiracy and it was just a bad accident , but am not convinsed. For one thing correct me if am wrong but the part of the atlantic which the wreck lies in is called the 'devils hole' know for ice bergs and it is not the quickest way after all they where trying to beat olympics record of crossing the atlantic. Why did smith go fast and why did the ship not just smash into the berg. Sounds crazy i know but if they did that (acording to a test i read) only compartments 1 and 2 would have been damaged she could stay afloat with that damage. Also why did they run the engines back this is the same as a car braking while turning. It causes understeer and ships are no different this slows it turning speed. Also why did the tests of Titanic not find there was a fire on board and correct me if am wrong but the tests did not last the 2 days and the reason given was because it is almost identical to Olympic.